In the first episode of Ms. Behaved, a show about women and religion, the hosts take on the creation story and argue that Eve was framed. They share their own deconstruction stories, from growing up secular and spiritual to growing up LDS, then take a caller’s questions about whether Jesus existed and who wrote the Gospels.
Was Eve framed in the Genesis creation story?
The hosts argue that Eve got the short end of the stick. They point out that the tree and the snake could have been put anywhere, yet both were placed right in front of the first humans, and Eve was never told the snake was bad. One host compares it to handing a baby a fork and an electrical outlet and saying not to touch it. Since the first people had the knowledge of an infant, the hosts call the whole setup unfair, dumb and unnecessary.
Why do high demand religions answer questions with thought stoppers?
One host describes being raised in a mainstream LDS (Mormon) home with church three times a week and a required 6 a.m. scripture class in high school. She never felt a personal testimony and kept asking questions. The answers were thought stoppers, such as pray about it, God works in mysterious ways, or we can’t know that. Adults also drifted into tangents until the original question was forgotten. She says debating has taught her to spot tangents and return to the original question.
Did Jesus really exist?
A caller named Marlin asks whether Jesus was real. One host says there may have been one or several doomsday messianic prophets whose stories got smooshed together into Jesus, the amalgamation theory, though she leans a little toward mythicism. Another says she does not care either way, because she already does not believe the religion, and what matters more is whether the events attributed to him are true. The hosts say there is no proof of them, and they grant the caller that a man named Jesus may have been crucified.
Who wrote the Gospels?
The hosts tell the caller that the Apostle Matthew did not write Matthew. They say every biblical scholar, including Christian scholars, knows the Gospels are anonymous. They acknowledge that some debate remains over whether apostles could have written them. Still, they say the odds are good that the apostles did not, because most of the Gospels were written well after the time when the apostles would have lived.
Transcript highlights
Selected passages from the live stream, lightly edited for readability. Click a section time to jump to that part of the video.
Eve, the Fall, and Deconstruction Stories
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Welcome to the first episode of Ms. Behaved, the show where we talk about women and religion. Tonight we’re taking calls and talking about how Eve was framed, and I have some very juicy things to say about it. First of all, I think that was one of the first topics I got into when I started reading the Bible, which was the creation story and how unfair the whole situation was. It’s how dumb and unnecessary it all is, but also how Eve was given the short end of the stick.
You could have put the tree anywhere. You could have put the snake anywhere. You could have done anything. But what you did was tell them about the tree, put the tree in front of them, and then put the snake in front of them. Then you let the snake talk to Eve, and you didn’t tell Eve that the snake was bad. You just said, good luck, little baby. These people were born like yesterday with the knowledge of an infant. And you gave it to them like a fork in an outlet and said, don’t touch the outlet. Of course the baby is going to touch it. If you give a baby a fork and nothing but an outlet, what do you expect?
Right. This is our very first show, and I at least am pretty well known by the chatlings and the other people. But for anybody who doesn’t know us, why don’t we introduce ourselves and go through our deconstruction history? I would like you to start, if you wouldn’t mind.
Well, my deconstruction story, I guess there isn’t really a story. I was raised kind of secular, and I started really just disliking the Bible and Abrahamic religions when I was about 10 through 12, because I started watching NonSequitur. Later on I loved NonSequitur. He is hilarious. And what a great name, am I right? I’ve been raised secular but also kind of spiritual, and you know how they say the way you were raised is kind of how you stay, or the religion you fall into. That’s more or less what happened to me. I’m still spiritual, which I think is part of the reason I can find some middle ground in the atheist community. You’ve taken from the Bible, so it’s okay. Maybe there’s still a God, and then you guys can take it from there.
My background is very different. I was raised in a very devout Christian family, in a very high demand religion. I was raised LDS, which is Mormon, by the way, if anybody doesn’t recognize the acronym. I mean mainstream Mormon, not the prairie dress Mormons, the regular ones who are still pretty weird, but the less weird ones. My family, my parents especially, read scripture and went to church three times a week. When I got to high school, I was required to take a Bible class every morning before school at 6 a.m. That’s gross. It wasn’t just a Bible class, either. It was all of the scriptures, of course Mormon scripture.
The thing is, I never really had any kind of personal testimony of it myself. I was a questioner from very early on, and none of it made sense to me. I kept asking these questions, and frustratingly enough, the answers I got were almost all thought stoppers. It was always, well, maybe you should pray about that. Or, I don’t think that’s something you need to worry about, honey. Or, God works in mysterious ways. Ask your pastor is what I always got. I never got that one, actually, because I was asking my bishop, so he couldn’t send me up the ladder. Well, he could have, but I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t have. My state president wasn’t interested in answering any questions from a six year old.
One of my least favorite answers was, well, we can’t know that
Debate Tactics, Bible Contradictions and Mormon Origins
There was never an official answer. I’m uncertain, I can’t tell you. It was always, “There’s an answer to your question, we just have to figure it out. Let’s read through those scriptures together, and we need to find the context.” Then we would just go on and on, and then a tangent, and then the next subject, and the next subject. We’d forget about the original question in the first place, right? That was the other thing they did to me a lot. They managed to change the subject on me frequently.
Which is why, now that I’ve debated, it’s such a blessing, because I can keep track of these people trying to take me in different tangents. I can go back to the original. “Hey, no, we’re not swit
Bible Memory Games, Chickens and Stream Trouble
That is something I, one of the things we practiced in that Bible study, that early morning Bible study I was telling you about, was finding scriptures. Somebody would say, you remember the scripture about this? They would recite the scripture, and then we would race to see who was the first one to find it. I certainly can’t do it reliably.
A viewer’s comment came up in chat saying the Christian Bible was written by Jews. The reply was, “Well, of course it was. It was the Jewish Bible for one. It’s still…” The conversation moved on from there without much more detail on the point.
On the Async panel show, the host said, “I don’t like panel shows normally myself. People talk over each other way too much. It gets old fast.” They added that they listen to the show while building their own show in the mornings, and that they like a lot of the people on it. “Chat is always amazing over on Async,” they said. “Everyone gives hellos.”
The flockmeister’s chickens came up in a video shared from the channel, and the host gave their own experience with keeping them. “I have had chickens. They are way more work than they’re worth. Like you have to do so much work and they’re smelly and loud and usually kind of mean.” They concluded, “All I know is that these three eggs I got per day was not worth all the work that three chickens took to take care of.”
Most of the rest of the section dealt with the stream itself. The producer explained that the choppy video came from an internet problem on their end, while the lag in one host’s studio was caused by something on her computer, and she was asked to restart it. The hosts also discussed running commercials from a trainee dashboard and how to use a phone to run them.
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Host Describes Persistent Chat Troll Chris George
Chris George has been blocked because he incessantly trolls the chat. He posts copies of the same thing over and over again, copy pasting it into the chat. When I blocked him from the chat, he went to the YouTube video comments and started pasting the same thing there, about there being no hell in Protestant Christianity. Finally I blocked him from the whole channel so he couldn’t post that stuff, and then he started sending me emails every day after the show. He’s done it every day for over a year now.
When the caller came on, I asked him if he was the Chris George who keeps emailing me. I told him that’s a little bit stalky, and that we shouldn’t be doing stuff like that. The human body only has the capability to give so much energy, so why put that much into someone who isn’t even that important in your life? I asked him to talk to me like a real person, and told him that if he just talked, I wouldn’t mind. I still get the emails. Some days there are eleven, twelve, fifteen of them, because he keeps sending more.
Early on, he was emailing me from his work address. I actually thought about calling his work and telling them he was stalking people from their email address. It was just copy pasting the same stuff over and over. If he’s emailing from work, I’m sure his boss would want to know, and no one would blame me for making that known. That’s not okay to do, especially at work.
I think if it doesn’t stop, I might consider reporting it. At this point I’m not kidding, because this happened every day that just passed. There’s the appropriateness problem with using work email, but there’s also a crazy person stalking you, and it keeps getting worse. I scared him off on the call, because he’s a sort of psychopath. That’s the kind of guy who, if I opened my garage door, would be standing out there with a gun, so I like to get them as far away from me as possible. I’ve blocked him and I’ve tried to argue with him, but he has been persistent. Even today he’s still at it, though we haven’t seen him for months.
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Part 5
that mesh from a window screen? Ah, that’s a keen eye you have there, young lash. Yes, yes. Another fine selling point, rough on the outside to increase her shame as it should be. But, but soft and smooth on the inside, internally lubed and ribbed for his pleasure. We even have customs since. Since? Now you have my attention. What flavors we talking? Don’t pitch me that vanilla missionary nonsense, Audrey. Well, we do have virgin vanilla, but we also have miracle mint, and a cooing camel, and my personal favorite, sweat of the savior. And the vacuum? They’ve blessed this endeavor? Well, not exactly. I’m still waiting on the public decree one way or the other. I love
it, but you’re asking 50 grand for only 3%. That’s rough, father. Real rough. Not running with the big dogs on this one. I’m gonna stay on the porch. Me too. Good luck, father. 15%. Ouch. 15 % that’s highway robbery even for the church. Come on, father. We’re dogs. We know a bone when we see one. 10 % and we’ll even bless your branding. Look, meet me in the middle. 7 % and I’ll baptize all your puppies. 7 % worth for me. Father Flanagan, it looks like we have – Let’s get him up on the screen. Folks, we have the guardian of the sacred fire, Hydrant himself, defender of the holy tennis ball, and eater of
the golden kibble, pup Oliver, poops a lot, the fifth. Flanagan! Hi. Yes, your porter. 50 ,000 at 20%. 20%. And you get to keep calling yourself a father. Soul to the pup in the very fine hat. I knew you’d see it my way. You’re very wise, your honey. Would there be anything else? He may leave. Father Flanagan’s line of holy halos, ultra -thin, spiritually thick. Available in three sizes, conservative, medium, and liberal. All right, so. But during that time, I did find Flock’s YouTube video of Little Baby Nugget. Again, Flock is the Flockmeister. He owns all the chickens in the entire world, and this is one of his tiny little bear bear chickens. Here we
go. Okay, so the white chicken is mama chick, is mama chicken. The little brown chicken is actually a 38 year, 38 year old baby, 38 day old baby. And so, she’s gotten too big to fit under her mama. Look at how cute she is. Her name is Nugget. Our beloved chemical squirrel named her. Named him Nugget or something else, man. Yeah, it’s a perfect name for it. That’s adorable. That’s also really funny. Yeah. My brother used to have pigs, and he named them bacon and acorn. They just said acorn? What? Bacon, and then you’re like, and acorn. Well, you know, they ate acorn. And the other one is named leaf. The other one is ham.
Yeah, I think they did name one of them ham. That we’re all on the same page. So, I think it’s off the screen now. No, that did not work. All right, let me try and take it clear. There we go. That’s the button. Again, we’re all still learning this new program that Chris has designed. It is amazing. That’s that inside brain right there. Oh, God, right. I’m so jealous. I hate him. I mean, me too. I know. I hate him. He’s the coolest guy I’ve ever met, and I’m envious, and I admire him. Oh, well, let’s stop glazing Chris, okay? I would not. I mean, if we start talking too nice about Chris, we’ll just
cut our pay because he’ll be like, oh, you know what? It’s a reward just to hang out with me. You guys can no longer have your juice boxes and pizza parties. No more cookies for you. We were going to have milk and Oreos, and now you get nothing. No, no, no, no. That’s the thing. We do see that that would be the point. In his mind, if we’re too nice to him, if we love him too much, you’ll get him much like God, actually. Is Chris our God? Guys, figure it out. Oh my God, he’s in the back. He’s in the back room. He’s in the background listening to us glaze him. I’m going to
Historical Jesus, Relics, and Gospel Authorship
Marlin, welcome in. What would you like to talk about tonight, as far as Eve was framed, or women in religion in general? So, I wanted to talk about Jesus Christ. Do you guys think that he is real, or that he existed, or about what he did in the Bible? Those are two separate questions.
Let’s start with, was he real? I think that there is some evidence that there may have been either one man or several men who were doomsday messianic prophets at the time, I think most likely several men. All the stories got kind of smooshed together, and that became Jesus Christ. I do lean a little bit in the direction of mythicism, where I wonder if there was any Jesus Christ at all whatsoever. But at the moment, the one that I believe is the amalgamation theory, that Jesus Christ was just all the doomsday messianic prophets, with various stories about each of them smooshed together.
I personally agree with what you said, but I don’t mind either way whether or not he was real. I don’t even believe in the religion, whether or not there was a teacher who introduced these Greek-Roman teachings. I think it’s the second question that I usually focus on, which is, is what he did true? Whether or not he was there, I already don’t believe in the religion, so I don’t care either way. At that point, he’s just a guy in history. May or may not be, I don’t really care.
Do you guys think that the biblical events about Jesus are real? Absolutely. If it can be proven, then it can be proven. But it can’t be, you don’t believe it. It can’t be proven. There’s no proof.
Nothing has been scientifically verified to be old enough or of the right material or anything like that. There haven’t been. There are pieces in St. Peter’s Basilica
Authorship of the Gospels and the Temple Prophecy
The Apostle Matthew didn’t write Matthew. Why are you nodding your head? Are you saying that he did write it? I thought the Apostles of Jesus Christ were the ones who wrote the Gospels, but every biblical scholar out there, including Christian biblical scholars, knows that the Gospels are anonymous. Is there a possibility that they were written by the Apostles? Maybe. I think that’s one of the things they’re debating. But yeah, it’s pretty well known that they’re anonymous. We don’t know who wrote them, and the odds are good that it wasn’t the Apostles, because most of them were written far beyond when the Apostles would have lived.
But there could be a possibility that a man named Jesus Christ was crucified back then, right? Yeah, we agreed with you on that. That gave you the benefit of the doubt. And how would I then go from there, saying, okay, now I’m a Christian, I believe in the Bible? What would
Billy Bob’s Call-In and Political Debate
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Okay, I am going to let in Billy Bob. Hello, Billy Bob. Let’s see if we still get an echo. Can you hear us, Billy Bob? I have changed it to my headphones, so that should be fine now. Oh, let’s see. No echo. Yay! Well, not much anyway.
How do I pronounce your name? Jedax? I get Jedax a lot. It’s Jada. See, that’s why I’m thinking of just going ex-angelical. Everyone gets that so much easier. But I like Jada. Everyone just says Jada, so… Sorry, go on.
Oh, I’m well aware of your setup. I removed windows from my entire house about three weeks ago. They’re tracking everything. And my work upgraded all their computers, and then, no joke, they give me 30 computers to take home with me. I found four gigabytes of DDR4 memory just between the front passenger seat of my car and the center console yesterday. There’s so much.
You just have boxes of laptops in your trunk or something? What’s going on? That’s the most sus-looking thing. If I was a cop, you’d be pulled over so quick. Why do you have 30 laptops in the trunk?
I keep the pallet of computers at work and I take them home bit by bit. Within four foot of me right now, I have an i7 doing my AI and my local stuff. I have an i5 from the computer. I have an Xbox One X. I have an original Xbox 360 from 2006. I’ve got a Ryzen 7 5700X with a 3060. I’ve got an M4000 and an M4000 RTX with an i7 10th gen. Those aren’t words. You can’t trick me.
Wait, Billy Bob, are you here to debate? Oh, no, not at all. He’s a friendly. No, no, no, no, no. I was supposed to come in and be Billy Bob, the redneck that loves Jesus, and voted for Trump yesterday or Tuesday. That’s where I am. Yeah, go Trump.
So I actually paid him $50 to call in tonight and pretend to be a redneck Trump supporter. But then I forgot that I did it, and I screwed the whole thing up. So I guess he earned $50 for nothing. No, let’s not make fun of the joke.
Where we’re standing now, from an American point of view, the midterms are over. You’ve won the Senate, you’ve won the House, you’ve won Texas, we’re not even going there. And if one more motherfucker says 1932 in Kansas to me, I’m going to punch him in the face. But what is the next step? Do you back who they want as head of the House, speaker of the House, speaker of the Senate? If they choose Schumer, I’m just going to… I mean, it just…
Aaron, you’re telling me what you don’t want. Tell me who you want, all right? Be consistent, let’s not get philosophical. Who do you want in charge? You know, there are a few different people that would be good in charge. And of course, you put me on the spot now, because I wasn’t expecting to talk politics tonight. So I am blanking on every single name. I think God would do really good things.
You want that Black woman, don’t you? Yeah, or that African American woman. That’s so vague, yet so specific at the same time. It’s sadly specific, yeah. You know what’s really sad in America? This year, in 2026, after 250 years of the United States of America existing, the first Native American in… like, the people who were born here before any of us. I’m not going to negate slavery. I’m not going to negate the suffering that people of color have gone through. But oh my Jesus Christ, I didn’t know what it was like. I just assumed that somebody had slipped in. My Grammy was a Native American or something, but no.
Well, a couple people have tried to say that. Thank you so much for calling in. I’m sorry, I totally ruined your shtick. I do apologize. We’ll pay you $100 next time. I’ll have to pay you $100 next time and then write myself a note so I don’t forget. I think I’ve ruined your conversation at the bottom. No, you’re fine.
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Mandela Effect, Berenstain Bears and Majority Belief
The host joked that he is a happy customer of Conspirowin and claimed the service changed every copy of the Berenstain Bears books in every house. He said he has books left over from the 80s, and Conspirowin changed those too, even in his mom’s attic. Can you imagine? How did you do it? Because it’s Conspirowin. They are geniuses.
He then said he didn’t appreciate anyone confirming that the name is Berenstain, because he was about to go look around his house for one of those books. He said he made sure Conspirowin changed them, however you want to say it. Secretly, he said, in real life, it really was Berenstain, and we all know that inside ourselves.
His reasoning was that if everyone knows it, then it has to be true. He said this is very clear, and that all the evidence says Berenstain. He then added that, as we know from the Christian religion, if the majority believes something, it has to be true.
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